Come for dinner tonight at 8:00 is an invitation, Come by later is Hey, glad to see you, we should catch up at length soon. I havent spent time in Brazil, so I dont know if thats a Brazilian thing or a dudes-who-grew-up-with-M-specifically-where-he-grew-up thing but it is a real thing, and M. has had to rethink and clarify it for American friends now that he lives here. ), I disagree. If he accepts, but suggests hanging out at your place, have an excuse in mind for why you have to hang out at his place. By. Im going to share what Im comfortable with and Im going to kick the rest under the bed until you leave. I'm telling you from experience: Nothing is going to kill the vibe quicker than a dirty, dank, disgusting apartment. If I want you to stay longer, Ill let you know. Seriously, my go-to method is to hide out of sight and pretend Im not in until they give up and go away. So just read on and you will be ready to win the guy over. Its not that hard not to bring occasions to which another person wasnt invited in front of them. I used to live in a basement apartment. Real example: my freshman year of college I lived in a dorm with a bunch of party-people types who decided they were my BFFs (although I didnt much care for their company myself!) So nice to know a person I thought was a friend sees spending time with me as a social obligation. So. It is interesting to see all the different perspectives here it really is individual-specific! (or text) I may not be able to, either due to existing plans, or lack of remaining energy for interacting with humans. Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. An alternative to let me stop by your house is Im going to be in the neighborhood do you want to meet up? This is a call I do not mind getting. but Im concerned about *your* plans. Awkward. Just ask them what they are doing the night of the event then say "oh cool" or something like that then keep talking about it until they invite you. Although still-couldnt you just say dude, Im still working, can you hang out for an hour reading before we watch our show? If he accepts, but suggests hanging out at your place, have an excuse in mind for why you have to hang out at his place. just got off the train, be there in 5 min Then they wont be surprised when I buzz them or ring the doorbell a few min later. What Im trying to get at is that it was fine because Third Person inserted themselves, rather than because big expensive things get a pass.. Youre going to show our friend the bike and then ride away on your bike. We were all night owls, but at least twice visits in the neighborhood were after 11pm. I suppose the modern equivalent is mostly not responding to a text for six hours and then going whoops, phone was off. Like, weddings often include a cost per person and youre not going to suck up that cost for everyone and their dog just because they want to come. Whether youre in your 20s or 50s, you still dont want to come on too desperate or too strong at the same time. LW: I feel as though I initiate contact with you most of the time, and as if you dont have as much fun with me as you used to. Im certainly going to be packed and ready to go, but it tends to be easier for both parties if they just call me when theyre there, or even when theyre getting close so I can get to the curb and wait without having to then find out that theyre stuck in traffic and are going to be 15 minute late. The mildly annoying scenario would call for asking him to amuse himself while I finished whatever I was in the middle of. And its a multiple-day drive to get to Vacation Placewe dont even have room for another kid in our car! Amongst my good friends, I am not ever upset when they invite themselves over, we are close, and it never bothers me. I have optimized getting MY needs met and didnt even consider whether or not it made you feel uncomfortable., Let me help you be more efficient by removing one social obligation from your list.. If Im waiting a while, Ill text you and let you know Im here. For example if someone is hosting a small dinner party, you probably shouldn't ask if you could attend at the last minute. I have pretty much had it. understanding the ENTIRE backstory to the feeling Like I dot userstand it. 3. It tells me that she *knows* the world isnt an open invitation for her to insert herself into other peoples social events. Maybe they were being good guests, maybe they were grateful for a way to feel involved, maybe they thought they were bribing the GM to be kind on the next critical botch. I hold the one doing the rejecting responsible for being clear. Re: ADHD Girl (also sorry nesting fail) Even worse, for me, than people who show up at my door without warning and expect to be let in are people who show up my door without warning and expect me to come out. Their legs might get tired! In that case, politeness would dictate that the person picking up the other person would walk to the door and ring the bell. And the worst of it is, just about everyone in the group aside from Clueless Cousin is aware of the problem, and has had their special events bogarted by her. Show up with boyfriend to events that are pretty obviously not SO friendly (girls only brunches/nights out) My own perspective is that if a person just shows up at my house, not only am I going to pretend I am not at home, but I will also be demoting them several degrees in our relationship. Its a drag having to answer the door, as I would prefer to ignore solicitors. I think things are different if there wouldnt be any expectation of an invitemy co-workers weekend plans, for instance, are common Friday conversationsbut in those situations people dont have feelings to manage. For every person of their youth who joyfully offered hospitality to all comers at any time, there were plenty who turned off the lights and made sure they stayed out of view of the windows so as not to be put on the spot by unannounced visitors. I dont mind drop-ins, if its just a rare opportunity thing like they were down the street running an errand. The big takeaway from this post is that a lot of preferences are situational and individual. You feel ratty, harassed, and youre frantically trying to make it look as if you do pay more than rudimentary attention to the housework if only to stave of questions about whether youre coping. In the other case making plans was nearly impossible and incredibly inconvenient, so dropping by felt like a nice surprise. Im embarrassed now when I think of how I chased after her. Customize an invitation for a birthday party, baby shower, or holiday celebration, and deliver instantly by text message or email. But generally? If you have a chronic health condition (which might be physical, it might be mental illness, or a mixture of the two) and kids, sometimes youre doing well just to keep the dishes clean, the laundry done, kids clean, the floor uncrunchy and the table unsticky. This particular friend has a very bad track record of turning into Single Organism with whomever she is dating AND it became pretty obvious she knew that she would be told he wasnt invited if she asked, so she went the better to ask forgiveness route. I can still say no of course, but it becomes rather rocky when it shouldnt have to. Which goes to show how very individual the boundaries are. You cant be expected to magically divine that someone means no if you asked and they said yes. Pretty much my favorite thing about my house is that, once Im in it, no one can interact with me unless I want them to. Even if it's occasionally fine, it isn't something anyone should make a habit of doing, or take it for granted as a way to hang out with people. What counts as nothing pressing? Maybe they want to go home and do a Netflix marathon or something. If the guy were my boyfriend, not just someone Id gone on a few dates with, it would either be fine or, if Id wanted to do something before everyone came over, mildly annoying. Actually, when I moved to northern California from the Midwest I found the culture was somewhat like this. The exception would be for a traditional date. Things you should offer to do: Help prep or cook meals; set the table and do the dishes; offer to drive; occupy the kids while their parents take a well-deserved nap; fix a little something around the house if you have the skills; or take the dog for a walk. If you read, for instance, advice columns or domestic humor from eras and neighborhoods that did casual visits, youll find lots of stories of people turning the lights off and laying down on the floor to avoid visitors. Not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends is not the same thing as nobody is comfortable with being brutally honest with friends and you cant ever ask your friends to BE honest because obviously theyd find that uncomfortable, and you should just LEARN. Firstly, if he laughs and giggles about these situations, that means that he is interested in talking to you and enjoys your time. Youre feeling chills and fantasizing about going home with him. I like to be able to decline social invitations. In the case at hand, LW, your friend has made it clear that just dropping by because youre in the neighborhood is Not To Be Done, so dont. While at it, be sure to give him prior notice before the proposed hangout date or time, as if you ambush him he may cancel on you due to prior plans or even simply because his apartment is messy. Always make room for a gracious no. I just recently reconnected with a friends who I lost touch with because of our different expectations. To the surprise of literally zero Captain Awkward readers, using words turned out to be what most people wanted! I have this problem, tooI canNOT invite myself somewhere, even if I know the host would be happy to have me. You watch for the car and come out, or even sit on the front step and wait for your ride. I'm Chris Macleod. Even short and enjoyable visits can be ruined by not knowing when they will end. Back in my teens if I was too anxious/busy/unpresentable to talk to an unannounced house caller I would either not answer the door or ask my parents to say I was out. 2. And if I were that one in a situation and someone brought it up before or after I would wonder if they were doing it passive aggressively and I would be reevaluating our relationship a bit. Either way, I am put in the position of doing something I may not want to, or forced into having a difficult or awkward conversation about how or why I dont want to do that thing with friend. The distinction I was trying to awkwardly makie was that a drop-in visit deprives those people who enjoy the lead up to hosting of that lead up (whether it comes in the form of fancy soap, baking, the chance to make DIY napkin holders, etc.). I never had anyone randomly search my room, but I too have privacy as a trigger (my issues growing up are a pale shadow of what you went through), and boy do I understand. So hell come back! Anyway, youre describing this as though everyone knows whats expected, which is what I disagree with. Later you could even tell her that you assumed when you hadnt seen her that she wasnt coming by. Thinking about this some more, the bottom line for me about how much arranging is needed beforehand is how much am I going to have to change my plans now that you are here? YEARS! 1.4. A little flirting goes a long way. She used to do this thing where she would text that she was in the area but never in a way that left me an option on hanging out. Applauding the efforts of organizations and individuals who are doing something good. Oh also, the good old days when people could just drop by anytime had rules too, they were just different rules. You'll make your life much simpler. I have routinely over the last year asked if she were free for me to drop in for a hug when fetching mail (I receive mail in the same building as her office) and thats seemed fine. Are you going to start showing up at my home when I was counting on alone time and I look like a raggedy doofus because Im wearing an old tank top and a sports bra? My friends are well aware that they can show up. Movies are dark and great for making out, and you won't risk giving him the wrong impression. How Should I Handle My Man Forgetting My Best Man Poem Ideas for a Brother's Wedding. This is hugely fraught partly bc of things like anxiety disorders but partly bc a lot of people in this category have repeatedly suffered derision, dismissiveness, ridicule etc from friends and family many times in the past. I mean, if people need to identify and express that cleaning/not-cleaning comes with a sense of shame, go for it! Sometimes people will ask me this less than two hours after the original making of the plan. Meet you at the theater at 1:40?. Any interest in a Saturday matinee?, Them:Saturday is bad, but could we do the 2pm on Sunday?, You:That works. I'm not sure about your apartment or home, or whether you and the guy are both single, but when a guy invites you over to his place, the most obvious explanation is that he's planned sex for the evening. Someone makes a small mistake, the other lets her know about her displeasure, and you go back to being best buddies. But as a baseline, I would never assume its okay to interrupt you for social reasons during the time when you are engaged in meeting your professional responsibilities to your employer.. Day. (Im sorry I have a lot of issues around this sort of thing ahahah). Many people are eager to know when Santa will come to their house. First of all guys don't smile to other girls unless they like them. If she asks to go to yours, you can defer; "yes, I will have to invite you over soon". People Have neighbors. Sometimes when we are in town visiting his friends will just stop in because they saw our car. It hurts so much, LW, and Im so sorry this is happening to you. Okay, can I say, I find comments like this REALLY ableist. Thanks again guys! A similar (probably unintentional but still annoying) tendency Ive seen in some of my friends is to lead with partial questions, e.g. I actually thought about the nude Brazilian implications but I couldnt figure out a way to phrase it that didnt include them. I know its immature, but I dont want to cut all ties, and I have to deal with them in some kind of way that doesnt make me feel so anxious and on edge. Heres the difference between your pet peeve and the pet peeve of the person youre replying to. To support this ministry and help us continue to reach people all around the world click here: Why view it as a personal offence? And my husband, who works from home and had not planned to eat lunch with us because he is working, has to let you in and entertain you. That is outrageous! I also think that Ask vs. Are usually dealing with various mental issues that prevent them from taking care of household necessities, and they dont deserve to be shamed for that just because you happen to like drop-ins. However, I have partially solved this with my close friends by bravely using my words. A lot of it probably is the presumption of intimacy of showed up at my house compared to showed up at my work. My bathroom at home is also the guest bathroom and I kind of want to tidy up slightly embarrassing but totally normal hygiene products before someone uses it? Even my parents call before coming over, and the only times Ive said no are when I was too sick or exhausted to want to see them. Examples: On the link below you'll find a training series focused on how to feel at ease socially, even if you tend to overthink today. So, Id be interested to know how to handle someone once theyve already shown up, uninvited and not particularly wanted, to social events. Personally, Im totally fine with friends just showing up at my house. Also my floordrobe? So for me it helps me to know hey this person is still excited on this and wants to do this thing so were ok. I like to be alone. They get so angry. Ring the doorbell The main reason I was even playing Destiny was to try to reconnect with someone. BUT.is it because you assume that is the case when you happen to know someone was in the area and yet didnt drop round? Do they seem like friendly types who are happy with more people around, or are they more choosy about who they want to associate with? But Im always thanked for double and triple checking with him because I understand that his particular brand of anxiety can say yes lets definitely plan to do this and then the day of be I really want to do this but I cant do it today. I put out little soaps shaped like sea shells and sometimes buy flowers or light a scented candle. Sorry you had to deal with all that. The house was never in fact very dirty and usually was fairly presentable even without the deep-clean, but my mom was ashamed and embarrassed by any perceived imperfection that she thought others would notice. My rule of thumb is to not go anywhere where I have not been expressly invited (kind of like the vampires in the Captains hilarious trailer). Do you want a hand?. There is also a lot of sabotage going on, and this major disruption of my environment as we completely redo the wiring and gut the basement and first floor and install HVAC, so everything that was spread out on three big floors is now crammed into three tiny rooms (why she has decided to do all this major construction and demolition NOWwhen I am trying to make a good impression on a potential employer and show up early and well-rested and eageris a mystery best not examined too closely, but she may be thinking about selling the house or MOVING IN WITH MESCREAAAAAAM) and it is, all in all, not fun. Like, maybe we will both be in the same house on Christmas Day. (*) You know, nude dancing in the most Brazilian way has some interesting implications . I'm good at it. Its safer in any situation to assume a no unless you give me an explicit yes. But I agree with above commenters, its both cultural and individual. The whole work-home thing is pretty cultural though. I suppose if someone REALLY didnt want to go away I could also let the dogs outside, but that seems more antisocial than is necessary. I have close friends who are cool with people texting them and saying hey Im around are you at home to guests and then coming over if the answer is yes. It didnt occur to me that that was what I was doing, I was just excited, dont get to see her much, and the bike shop is close to her home. If someone is going to visit my home, I need enough notice to get myself and the main areas of the house decent before they turn up. I wouldn't say it's rude but it's possible that people feel uncomfortable then. Ill be back . They think if someone hasn't been invited to something they shouldn't try to force the issue. I have physical pain on a not-infrequent basis. A lot. To be honest, Id be really freaked out if I found out someone I was friends with was apparently judging me for not dropping by. If one is expecting the host to do all the work, thats just lazy and rude IMO. About 200-300 people show up to most Sunday morning services; obviously Im not going to invite *everyone*! In this particular situation, I dont think you did something WRONG/horribly rude, but your friend is now giving you the cue of please dont do this. So, you just gotta respect that for her, at least for right now, invites to her place are a no go. Our small city (which has a low crime rate) gets a handful of this type of attempted burglary each day, so I dont think the police are being alarmist. Im hungry too. #711: Is it rude or wrong to invite myself to someones house? why didnt you tell me?? Imagine you are friendly but not close friends with all of these people, and lets look at whats good inviting yourself and bad inviting yourself behavior. Uurghhrggghh you bet that any child of mine will be raised with a HUGE feelings-related vocabulary (I pretty much only knew happy, angry, sad until my teens?) I dont know if there are specifics that make that difficult to implement in this case, or if its just not the norm in your social group, but in many groups its a common social convention that a lot of people follow anyway. But I didnt tell her I was in the area. When people show up unexpectedly it depends on if its an annoyance for me. On the other hand, there are people who I know if they showed up unannounced, I would feel violated and not happy at ALL. Youve tried every trick in the book but it still has not worked. Some people get really ticked off about the idea that I can CHOOSE whether to answer my door/phone/text/email, and that just not wanting to interact at that moment is a good enough reason not to answer.. Shes even walked in the front door before when we didnt answer her knocking quickly enough. Maybe Im misinterpreting because I dont know the LW or her friend but it seems much more intense than to say hi. And to the subject of unexpected visits. Ive known a lot of people who are fine with people just showing up and I know thats their thing and Im not trying to shame them and say its wrong (if anything, I envy them) but I just dont understand it! Its much harder to say no gently if you just want a quiet afternoon alone and someone is a block from your house wanting to come over and they can see your car in the driveway. I had a friend who used to drop by or be in the neighborhood pretty frequently, and the process of setting boundaries after the pattern developed nearly destroyed the relationship. I think just showing up is different from inviting yourself over in a way that allows for a no, but some people would be very uncomfortable even with asking if you can come over (the assumption being that if they want you to come to their house, its on THEM to ask YOU). Le sigh. doing that, or reacting in other appropriate ways, without letting on that you noticed the feeling (VERY IMPORTANT). So I did a frantic quick clean, left the place unlocked, and left them a note saying that their child would be home about an hour and a half after their arrival, and Id be there about an hour after that. Give him ample notice before the proposed hangout time. My house is not actually that much messier than some of my friends who dont mind saying shove over the laundry basket and nudge the books out of your way, welcome to my home. But if the loading zone is filled, the driver ends up inconvenienced, so if the driver has no other passengers Ill do what my spouse prefers and wait outside for them. His sister got to the point of being able to call a friend to arrange a play date around age 9. You, therefore, dont have to feel embarrassed about taking the bold step as it is perfectly fine. I have invited said best friend over for a playdate, twice, by email a week in advance each time. But I wouldnt get nearly as irritated at them as I would at the door-to-door Vitamix salesman whos supposed to go away when he sees my sign. Doesn't matter what "vibe" you get off him, this is a man you barely know. I am a messy person, who not only doesnt wear a bra in the house but who habitually spends the entire day in filthy pyjamas with un-brushed hair if not planning to go out. Get a small to medium sized bag for your things. Plus it can feel for me like, whoa, are you going to do this a lot? They're really wondering, "Do these people like me and want me around?" There are a lot of things to talk about in this world. I think that's often what's really at the heart of it when people ask if it's okay to invite themselves somewhere. But if she leans over you and is not bothered with brushing her body against yours, you have got a winner here. Or very close family. Followed by pedicures and an outdoor screening of Clueless? I used to live in a house with several friends that was considered a party house, so we had random people dropping by all the time, and it was never really locked, as there was always someone there. However, as long as I have time to grab a shower and put on my going outside pants, you arent really imposing here. How do you meet your friends? I would suggest you ask in a casual, friendly, "no pressure" tone. But I do think its actually not very polite to do it. That is why people default to simply not doing the thing that some people find rude. That sounds nice, but I need to find this part for my vacuum cleaner means No. If you get one of these refusals-for-reasons, a good thing to do is to saysome variation of Gotcha! This is even with close friends/my best friends! The need to suddenly clean would discomfit me, sure, but I would be more bothered by some of the above. Go to a place with someone, or 2. have someone to MY place/where I am going. Big +1 on the relevance of the increasing distance here. If Im doing my stuff and dont have the emotional currenncy to make awkward small talk with an acquaintance in the street Ill darn well duck behind a tree and hide. It would be different in the burbs or rural areas, I assume. Britney: Well, now youre awake, so get ready and lets go. Or by initiating contact in some other way? It says a lot about Monica (and me) that this is the way she expresses both her care for her friends and her need to be seen as caring and we could all do a deep dive on the psychology of that if we wanted, but I dont think thats the point. Cooking is one of many love languages, and if you are familiar with it, then there is no better way to show him how much you care than by preparing a tasty home-cooked dinner. I dont like surprises so thats the bad part. I asked her something along the lines of oh gods, what have you been thinking of me these last months, with all the details and no invite? My partner had a, You should come to our party next Saturday! Sure! conversation at a party, and, being Irish, she figured it was a friendly fun thing that people say and promptly forgot about it. Is it the same rule? Privacy Policy. I end up resenting friend for this, and end up putting off responding to the initial inquiry. Because theyre way closer friends with me than him. I wrote letters. In the bike example, you could text and say hey, Im picking up my bike from near your house, do you want to go to the park for a bit? or even hey, Im in [neighbourhood] right now getting my bike, do you want to hang out for a bit? (without specifying where). Its a shame, but its actually easier to break up from romantic relationships than from friendship ones. Sadly, society doesnt really have a script for ending platonic friendships. Its also a good way to practice self-care, by saving your time and attention for people who reciprocate. If the LW did the same here, e.g. Especially ride-share to that conference, carpool, etc. If I am up for company, I will invite you to come in, sit down. But youre still changing their plans when you do that, youre just changing them in a way that is more difficult to say no to. 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